active CEO Podcast Andrew Barnes 4 Day Week

active CEO Podcast #58 Andrew Barnes 4 Day Week

active CEO Podcast Andrew Barnes 4 Day Week
Andrew Barnes – Founder 4 Day Week

On this episode of the active CEO Podcast, Craig Johns speaks with Andrew Barnes about Perpetual Guardian’s 4 Day Week, changing the way people work, improving the wellbeing and productivity of businesses, and the fourth industrial revolution. We also speak about global financial crisis, customer service, empowered workforces and the more important benefits of the 4 Day Week.

Andrew Barnes – 4 Day Week

Andrew Barnes is an incredible leader who is an innovator, entrepreneur, philanthropist and absolute human resource disrupter. He is the catalyst behind the 4 day week, saved the historic 1904 built classic racing yacht Ariki, and proud host of the 3 day weekend.

Andrew completed a MA in Law and archaeology at the University of Cambridge, attended the Harvard Business School’s Program for Management Development and is an Associate of the Chartered Institute of Bankers (UK).

His financial services career commenced in the UK before holding senior executive roles at Macquarie Bank, Citi, Tower, County NatWest and was Chairman at Australasian Wealth Investments.

Our special guest then became a director of Bestinvest, acquired and purchased Perpetual Trust, founded Complectus and made the game-changing move of creating Perpetual Guardian. He is currently the Chairman of Regional; Facilities Auckland, Paysauce and Perpetual Trust.

Andrew talks about:

  • Thinking carefully about what our industry is going to look like in years to come.
  • A simultaneous arrest of eleven ships spread across the globe,
  • Why an arts background allowed him to look at it from a different shape and pattern.
  • The cultural adjustment to Australia after the 1987 stock market crash.
  • Two core lessons in finance that create repeated financial crisis.
  • Why the military is still one of the best leadership schools.
  • How his time at Citi was the point where his leadership evolved.
  • People are only productive two and a half hours a day.
  • Productivity and profitability improving after the eight week trial of the 4 Day Week.
  • Lots of scepticism not only at the Board level but also at the leadership level of the company.
  • The 100-80-100 rule.
  • How the Perpetual Guardian staff were empowered to design the 4 Day Week
  • Ensuring that customer service standards did not drop.
  • New Zealand society’s response to the 4 Day Week.
  • People want to work for an innovative business that’s trying different things.
  • The stress and mental health epidemic sweeping the workforce across the world.
  • We are setting up a couple of foundations whose purpose is to fund research.
  • Creating a network of consultants around the world to deliver the 4 Day Week.
  • Why the hell the work practices are the right way, had asked the question why?
  • My peak point of creativity is usually after a point of high stress

Active CEO Performance Tip

Leaders Develop Leaders – Leaders don’t just lead people, they develop leaders. Learning how to recognize and most importantly develop potential and emerging leaders is important for the growth and succession of a company, organization group or team. Being able to identify behaviors, attitudes and habits are more important than job-related skills when it comes to leadership. Facilitating growth, supporting leadership behaviours and providing challenges to enhance your people’s skills should be your number one priority and people buy people not products.


“I didn’t think the 4 day week was high risk, but if you are sitting where somebody else is it necessary doesn’t come across the same way.” Andrew Barnes talks about analysing the risk of the 4 Day Week, on the active CEO Podcast.

“I didn’t inform the board. I merely announced the 4 day week on national television.” Andrew Barnes launching the 4 Day Week at Perpetual Guardian, on the active CEO Podcast.

“What we got was a more enthusiastic workforce, workforce that was refreshed, a workforce that was more empowered.” Employee outcomes of the 4 Day Week with Andrew Barnes on the active CEO Podcast.

Resources Mentioned in this show:

Andrew Barnes Wikipedia
Andrew Barnes TEDx Auckland
4 Day Week
4 Day Week LinkedIn
4 Day Week Facebook
4 Day Week Twitter
Perpetual Guardian
Craig Johns
Craig Johns LinkedIn

Robert McMurtrie (Sports People Recruitment) – Pioneering With Green Fields

active CEO Podcast #22 Robert McMurtrie Pioneering With Green Fields

Robert McMurtrie – Founder Sports People Recruitment

On this episode of the active CEO Podcast, we are talking about recruiting talent, leadership performance, being an entrepreneur and managing your energy levels. We discuss the interview process, who should apply for roles, is the employer right for you and the changing landscape in sport.


Robert McMurtrie has been at the cutting edge of the sports industry for the last four decades. He is a man of integrity, respect, trust and a sharp eye for detail when it comes to ensuring people have the best chance of securing that dream job that desire.

It is very rare that someone gets a “green field’, clean slate, in every role they have ever worked in. His career in sport took a giant leap in 1985, after being a Sport & Recreation officer at the Australian National University and Macquarie University, when he was appointed the National Executive Director at Netball Australia. He then put the pedal to the metal with a highly successful tenure as the CEO and Event Director at the Australian Motorcycle Grand Prix.

Sporting events are special and Robert was fortunate to lead the delivery of five World Championship events, including three Motorcycle Grand Prix’s, the 1992 International Six Days Enduro and the 1988 Coca-Cola World Youth Netball Championships.

The 1987 Confederation of Australian Sport – Sport Administrator of the Year, is the founder and director of Sports People, the world’s first online job board for sport and is now the number 1 place to find sport, fitness, aquatics, recreation and leisure jobs. In 2018 they sold Sports People Job Market and now focus on People Recruitment Group.

Sport has always been a real passion, completing a Bachelor of Physical Education at the University of Western Australia and a Master of Education at the University of Sydney. He also studied Applied Personal Consulting, HR at Deakin University. O

Robert talks about:

  • You are not a great value to your family or employer if you are constantly tired.
  • Growing up in Woy Woy with a full on active lifestyle, where he first found a love for swimming
  • Starting out in the sport industry at Australian National University in Canberra, and setting up the first Sport and Recreation program at Macquarie University in Sydney.
  • People who was are the most likeable, are the most likely person to get a job.
  • “Any idea is not a bad idea”
  • Managing Australian Netball Captain, Liz Ellis, who made the comment that he had 100 ideas, 99 were really bad and one of those was really good.
  • The biggest change in the sport sector over the past 40 years.
  • Within sport the most consistent things about salaries are their inconsistencies.
  • Being first to market in the early days and being exclusive for the first ten years.
  • Establishing People Recruitment Group with his wife, after selling Sports People Job Market in 2018.
  • People Recruitment Group expanding with Fashion People and People Recruitment.
  • When recruiting People Recruitment Group staff they look for the ability to engage with people, to listen more than talk and to be a good judge of people.
  • People not reading the position description and information
  • Just because you can apply, doesn’t mean you should apply.
  • Its important to structure an interview process so it is conversational and incorporate an audition element such as a pre-planned scenario presentation
  • The power is always in the hands of the candidate.
  • Australia wins one gold medal and that is in the obesity stakes.
  • The influence of the late Deirdre Hyland AM, who was President of Netball Australia, had on his career.

Active CEO Wellness Tip

Quick Fix – How much time are you prepared to allocate and schedule each day of the week to ensure your mind and body are ready to deliver peak performance in the workplace? If you have a tight schedule, family commitments and travel often, it cannot be underestimated how beneficial doing short, intense sessions can be. If you are struggling to regularly keep fit, high-intensity exercise done in as little as 15-30min, 2 or 3 times a week, can still be incredibly beneficial for your health and fitness. No one can tell me that they can’t find 15-30min in their day, to take care of themselves!


“Recruitment is a two-way street. The employer is assessing if you are the right candidate and more importantly you are assessing whether they are the right employer for you.

” Deciding on a job with Robert McMurtrie on the active CEO Podcast.

“It doesn’t matter what your cash flow is, you can still run a business. Just make sure you have enough to cover the basics and keep doing what you do and it will improve.” Robert McMurtrie reveals what Peter Burns taught him in the early days as an entrepreneur on the active CEO Podcast.

“A coach being more than a coach, they teach you about what is possible, what you can do and why you should do it.” Robert McMurtrie explaining that there is more to a coach, on the active CEO Podcast.

Resources Mentioned in this show:

Sports People Recruitment
People Recruitment Group blog
Sports People Job Market
Macquarie University Sport & Recreation Link
Australian National University Sports & Recreation
Netball Australia
Motorcycling Grand Prix Australia
Craig Johns LinkedIn
Ben Gathercole LinkedIn
Ben Gathercole Performance Coaching

Recommended Reading:

Better Than Winning – Ben Gathercoles’s best selling book link